tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post2160852546704330082..comments2024-01-17T10:24:25.719-05:00Comments on The Latter Days: Christ's Music or Satan's Music?Latter Days Ministryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-40753992673351862612016-06-23T12:58:53.708-04:002016-06-23T12:58:53.708-04:00I agree. One of the biggest lie from Satan is that...I agree. One of the biggest lie from Satan is that the music is neutral and that only the lyrics are important, and that is what all these wolfs disguised into lambs false pastors today say. But how can the music be neutral? can we play a funeral march at a wedding? Or a nuptial march at a funeral? Sure we cannot, and if a musician try to do this he will see what will happen then...<br /><br />So how is-it possible that demonic rock music is now played in the church? Just because God has already judged the church and removed his candlestick - his Holy Spirit - out from it (Rev. 2:5). Then because the place has become spiritually empty, the devil has entered into the church that has now become a Babylon, an "habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird" (Rev. 18:2)<br /><br />True believers have already come out of these churches as ordered in verse 4: "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues", if they have not already been evicted from these churches before because they were courageous enough to tell the true... Yosuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07743431982409767492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-18471436722664178742013-05-21T06:50:20.277-04:002013-05-21T06:50:20.277-04:00Hi Roman Shoehorn,
I don't see why. He never...Hi Roman Shoehorn,<br /><br />I don't see why. He never comments that music should be used to blur societal classes or that it should be only nondescript or instrumental. <br /><br />His point is that music is not neutral; it does not exist apart from God. It is so much more significant than simply a vehicle for cultural expression in that it is created foremost by God and for His purposes. If we do not recognize that music was inspired by God for His glory - as are <b>all</b> things - then we will not understand how Satan attempts to pervert it. The beauty and melody found in music which glorifies God is a reflection of the symmetry found in His word.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-51390767867301635652013-05-21T04:11:16.067-04:002013-05-21T04:11:16.067-04:00Hmmm..yes. Garlocks arguments remind me uncannily ...Hmmm..yes. Garlocks arguments remind me uncannily of this:<br /><br />http://www.marxists.org/subject/china/peking-review/1974/PR1974-09d.htmRoman Shoehornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15371488536091432644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-43383893359230582762013-02-21T07:26:45.199-05:002013-02-21T07:26:45.199-05:00Hi Anonymous,
I believe we need to lean upon the ...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />I believe we need to lean upon the Holy Spirit for that understanding. The basic point to know is that music is <b>not</b> spiritually neutral. It can either be inspired by the Holy Spirit or unclean spirits.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-40933762959807115922013-02-21T07:24:14.627-05:002013-02-21T07:24:14.627-05:00Hi Anonymous,
Thank you for the reminder about no...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />Thank you for the reminder about not being intolerant or contentious towards others. We certainly must be on the lookout for the flesh rising up in us instead of us being led by the Spirit.<br /><br />Remember though that there is a difference between being direct and being annoyed. Many times when you speak the truth plainly, people assume that you are angry. This is often not an accurate assumption.<br /><br />Nonetheless, I appreciate the comments. God Bless!Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-33113453521865246752013-02-20T18:47:00.857-05:002013-02-20T18:47:00.857-05:00latter days you are doing a good job however i mus...latter days you are doing a good job however i must say in your responses to persons feedback you seem annoyed or little contentious you must remember every one will still have their own views do not be intolerable if some persons disagree with your edifying info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-49212195648345366262013-02-20T18:42:34.593-05:002013-02-20T18:42:34.593-05:00not bad at all
after listening to the sermon illus...not bad at all<br />after listening to the sermon illustrated i still am not able to determine what music is bad or good considering i do not know to read music i did not quite grasp all the illustrations<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-26133606880894852802012-08-16T11:54:41.714-04:002012-08-16T11:54:41.714-04:00Thank you for your response and I truly appreciate...Thank you for your response and I truly appreciate the two links you included--they really added to my understanding of some things.<br /><br />More blessing to you!Tiffaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980612767626155076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-88464125337457879292012-08-15T06:32:40.390-04:002012-08-15T06:32:40.390-04:00Hi Tiffanie,
Thank you for your thoughtful post h...Hi Tiffanie,<br /><br />Thank you for your thoughtful post here. You say:<br /><br /><i>"These are definately questions for which I'll have to wait on God to answer for me directly."</i><br /><br />All I can say to that is, "<b>AMEN!!</b>" That is the way it should be and I would that more people would take so earnestly their search for truth. God is more than faithful to show us what is true if we ask Him sincerely.<br /><br />Nothing said on this blog is done with the intent for people to believe "me" or stand behind what "I" post. It is only presented in the hopes of encouraging others to seek the Lord <i>themselves</i> for the truth in any matter. I am so grateful that you realize this.<br /><br />I'll just say this. The standard for what is of God is not church history or even the practices of the church. The standard is the word of God. If in fact the spirit in which music is written can transfer to the song itself (which is true), then clearly this is not a I Cor.10:31 issue for God would not want us to have fellowship with unclean spirits. <br /><br />The answer lies only in what you have stated: seek the Lord and let Him lead you in terms of what <b>He</b> wants to hear and receive from us (which is not always the same as what our flesh may find appealing).<br /><br />I'll also share the following with you:<br /><br /><a href="http://thelatterdays.blogspot.com/2011/02/take-that-god.html" rel="nofollow">Take That God</a><br /><br /><a href="http://thelatterdays.blogspot.com/2009/09/its-all-good.html" rel="nofollow">It's All Good</a><br /><br />May God continue bless you with understanding in all areas and continually fill you with His Spirit as He directs your path.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-51986579291439690912012-08-15T04:01:26.822-04:002012-08-15T04:01:26.822-04:00I think it's interesting that during Europe...I think it's interesting that during Europe's Medieval era, its church leaders' attitude towards harmony in music was very negative. The use of harmony in music was highly discouraged and even forbidden in some cases--the concern being that the use of harmony in liturgical music would appeal to the flesh, causing listeners to focus on and indulge in the aesthetically pleasing sound of the music rather than focus on God for whom the music was created. For that same reason, the use of several instruments in liturgical music was a controversial issue--not to mention a lot of instruments of the time were associated with pagan rituals. Even to this day, alot of popular Christian music we may listen to now (e.g. Richard Smallwood's "Holy Thou Art God") would be considered unacceptable in some church communities. <br /><br />Then we have the blog here, which offers the same concerns as the Midieval church community as far as not creating music that appeals to the flesh. Yet, somehow this article stands on the other side of the spectrum in terms of what makes Godly music. In this case, harmony actually reflects God's Character and is a core component of Godly music--that it is not harmony that quickens the flesh, but rather syncopated rhythm. Interesting! Intersting! Interesting!<br /><br />There seems to be a pattern over time among church communities when it comes to the issue of "What is Godly Music?"--and I can't quite put my finger on what that pattern is. I even think about times when I hear elderly church members talk about how the church needs to go back to singing the "old-time" church songs and that contemporary "Gospel" music is too wordly. But when I think about it, a lot of those beloved "old time" songs were considered too wordly at one point in "Gospel" music history. When Mahilia Jackson was the contemporary gospel singer of her time, a lot of her music wasn't aloud in the churches. This isn't my defense or criticism of anything; it's just an observation. <br /><br />So who's right and who's wrong? Is it 1 Cor 10:31 situation, where Paul says, "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God?" Can we depend on science and math to help give us insight into what Godly music really is? I really don't know. These are definately questions for which I'll have to wait on God to answer for me directly.<br /><br />I do believe music to be spritual, though (lyrics or no lyrics). I believe the structure of a musical composition can affect people in a mysterious and mind-blowing way, yet I'm not sure where I stand on the issue of syncopation. One thing I am confident of--the spirit in which a music piece is written and composed can be transferred into that song, and that music will be a reflection of that spirit.<br /><br />Matthew 7:17 "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."<br /><br /><br />Tiffaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980612767626155076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-3820521037129292672012-05-27T14:43:33.932-04:002012-05-27T14:43:33.932-04:00Hello Anonymous,
There are some issues with your ...Hello Anonymous,<br /><br />There are some issues with your comments.<br /><br /><b>1).</b> You list style of music as one of the "primary" factors in determining what music in which to listen. Yet then you say that there is nothing "inherently wrong with any particular style of music." <br /><br />Which is it? Is <i>style of music</i> a primary factor in determining what music is Godly, or is it not a factor at all because there is nothing inherently wrong with any <i>style of music</i>?<br /><br /><b>2).</b> We are not addressing secular vs. Christian music here, but music in general.<br /><br /><b>3).</b> As many people do, you seem to determine what is acceptable to God based on what man thinks, intends, or believes. This is false. Unless a work (music or any other) is birthed by God's Spirit, then it is not of Him. God only receives that which He inspires.<br /><br /><a href="http://thelatterdays.blogspot.com/2011/02/take-that-god.html" rel="nofollow">Take That God</a>Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-91358530283511775242012-05-27T14:26:37.902-04:002012-05-27T14:26:37.902-04:00In determining whether or not to listen to secular...In determining whether or not to listen to secular music, there are three primary factors to consider: 1) the purpose of music, <br />2) the style of music, and <br />3) the content of the lyrics<br /><br />1) The purpose of music. Is music designed solely for worship, or did God also intend music to be soothing and/or entertaining? The most famous musician in the Bible, King David, primarily used music for the purpose of worshipping God (see Psalm 4:1; 6:1, 5455, 61:1; 67:1; 76:1). However, when King Saul was tormented by evil spirits, he would call on David to play the harp in order to soothe him (1 Samuel 16:14-23). <br /><br />So, while the primary purpose of music does seem to be worship, the Bible definitely allows for other uses of music.<br /><br />2) The style of music. Sadly, the issue of music styles can be very divisive among Christians. The Bible nowhere condemns any particular style of music. The Bible nowhere declares any particular musical instrument to be ungodly. Nearly all of the forms of modern music are variations and/or combinations of the same types of musical instruments, played at different speeds or with heightened emphasis. There is no biblical basis to declare any particular style of music to be ungodly or outside of God’s will.<br /><br />3) The content of the lyrics. Since neither the purpose of music nor the style of music determines whether a Christian should listen to secular music, the content of the lyrics must be considered. While not specifically speaking of music, Philippians 4:8 is an excellent guide for musical lyrics: “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.” <br /><br />There is nothing inherently wrong with any particular style of music. It is the lyrics that determine whether a song is “acceptable” for a Christian to listen to. If anything leads you to think about or get involved in something that does not glorify God, it should be avoided.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-9758438769395362802012-02-05T04:55:56.876-05:002012-02-05T04:55:56.876-05:00Thankfully I discovered through a bit of research ...Thankfully I discovered through a bit of research starting several years ago, that music in itself is made with a specific inspiration and intent, not just what the people are singing about. However, I'm still trying to understand how some music can't be 'neutral', for example, I assist at a mums and toddlers group and we do nursery rhymes. There are some very simple songs that when played with a piano just have a simple melody with no negative/weird feel, but they are not 'gospel', so if there is no 'neutral' music, how would one define a nursery rhyme, e.g 'twinkle twinkle little star', would you say the writer of it must have received the melody from God? I just use that as a kind of example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-5739920867616278342012-01-22T00:27:18.742-05:002012-01-22T00:27:18.742-05:00This was very, very interesting. Did not realize t...This was very, very interesting. Did not realize the back drop or back beat but now it makes perfect sense. Worldly music tends to get you crunk and sounds like a bunch of bashing and crashing to be honest. Not all of it, but most pop and soft rock and even r&b songs are just noise, not melodic or harmonious.Jasminehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00676157813656862967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-22271428973731538532011-06-01T21:39:29.664-04:002011-06-01T21:39:29.664-04:00Just FYI, Dr. Garlock received his doctoral degree...Just FYI, Dr. Garlock received his doctoral degree in music from Juiliard. He has faithfully taught music in churches around the globe for many years. He actually has a whole video series concerning this subject called "The Language of Music"Angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01964324666575570988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-60192987187388329292011-04-14T21:18:13.673-04:002011-04-14T21:18:13.673-04:00Hello, I just want to leave a note to you that thi...Hello, I just want to leave a note to you that this article is very helpful. It is good to know that music is not neutral (I have had my suspicions...) Some people mentioned that it is hard to find godly music these days... that is true but I have a collection of songs which I listen to and cannot find fault with. They are godly and melodious and do flow like water as said in the article. I listen to them and their inspire my thoughts to holiness and the character of Jesus. I would be happy to share them if anyone is interested. My email is esthersoc@gmail.com. Send me an email and I will send them to you.<br /><br />Also want to say that I find that the care that you take in your responses to the comments is commendable. Please be encouraged to keep it going.<br /><br />PamPamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-19968262876187673192010-12-18T19:30:47.713-05:002010-12-18T19:30:47.713-05:00Hi Anonymous,
I don't think you sounded dumb ...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />I don't think you sounded dumb at all. People define what is "good" or "bad" in many ways, so I thought I would cut to the chase by pointing out that it is the <i>spirit</i> of music which the article addresses.<br /><br />There are many things God can use to help us recognize the need for Christ in our lives. In the example of the prodigal son, God used a harsh taskmaster and pigs in the mire to create a desire in his heart to submit to the authority of his father. <br /><br />There are even messages and ministers that I listened to when I first got saved, which I have since left behind as God has grown me up from those things.<br /><br />I am not being evasive here. I am trying to show that something being used to help us "find Christ" is not the same as saying that thing is holy. <br /><br />The crux of rap music is the beat; it appeals to the <i>flesh</i> because that is what <i>draws</i> you. Remember, God does not interact with us primarily through the flesh, but through the Spirit. This is why many folks don't even know the words and will readily admit that they just <i>"like the beat"</i>. <br /><br />Can something which is worldly be "used" by God? Perhaps. But that doesn't make it Godly. One way to see the spirit behind something is to see how it "inspires" the people who hear it. Does it inspire a humble heart of praise and worship towards God or does it inspire the pride of life by putting the flesh on display like in a club scene? It is the same with "Christian rock" and others types of CCM music.<br /><br />I am not saying that those who listen to certain types of music are not saved. However, as with all things, I do believe that the more God transforms us to be in His image, the more we will like what <b>He</b> likes and the less we become like the world.<br /><br />This article may also help shed light on this topic: <a href="http://thelatterdays.blogspot.com/2009/01/getting-crunk-for-christ.html" rel="nofollow">http://thelatterdays.blogspot.com/2009/01/getting-crunk-for-christ.html</a>Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-2102463211504979302010-12-18T18:09:47.816-05:002010-12-18T18:09:47.816-05:00When I said bad, what I meant was non Christian/un...When I said bad, what I meant was non Christian/ungodly music. And what I should've asked was, that according to this article and its videos, we cannot find Christ in Christian rap? SN: I don't mean to sound dumb or anything but this article confused the mess out of me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-51317725760457663402010-12-18T08:52:36.733-05:002010-12-18T08:52:36.733-05:00Hello Anonymous,
It is not about "good"...Hello Anonymous,<br /><br />It is not about "good" or "bad" music. The article and videos address how the basic structure of music either reflects the flow of God's Spirit or goes against it.<br /><br />Everyone who is drawn to Christ is done so by God's Spirit. Anything that is not of God's Spirit cannot draw men to Him.<br /><br />The most important thing you can get from this is understanding that music is not neutral. Its very core structure either reflects that which of God or that which promotes chaos/confusion.<br /><br />My advise would be that one not simply accept all music, but seek God for understanding about the music <b>He</b> finds pleasing. It is not about what we personally like or dislike.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-42765859380031529492010-12-18T07:49:56.436-05:002010-12-18T07:49:56.436-05:00So basically, any song with a dominant beat/base i...So basically, any song with a dominant beat/base is bad music? And does this mean that no one can be led or drawn to Christ rap music? And does this mean that all Christian rap is bad?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-5252532511995907722010-11-01T12:06:26.366-04:002010-11-01T12:06:26.366-04:00First I would like to say that your videos are rea...First I would like to say that your videos are really helpful and are the few ones that have biblical references.<br />I would like to sugest<br />you to do a video talking about Aaliyah the singer that you probably heard about.<br />She has a lot of influence in music although she died in 2001 still people talk about her and do all types of tributes.<br />But I know that her death has something really spiritually suspicious.<br />Since now I thank you and even if you dont take my sugestion I ask you to never stop because people really need to hear the truth.<br />God Bless you!Stacynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-61390038982847752982010-09-28T06:21:42.946-04:002010-09-28T06:21:42.946-04:00Hello Lrizarry,
I mean no disrespect, but I reall...Hello Lrizarry,<br /><br />I mean no disrespect, but I really have no response for your comments. First, it was pretty hard to follow all 6 of your comments as you often repeated the same things. Two, it doesn't matter to me what music people listen to, so I have no interest in debating it.<br /><br />I will however make one point. You made the following statements in your comments:<br /><br /><i>"The reason I came to church was because I saw that christianity had very good ROCK MUSIC because when I was lost in the world I was ROCK GIRL and my style of music NEVER CHANGE and never is going to change."<br /><br />"Let me tell you that when I hear slow music it makes me DEPRESSED...when I hear rock like...this music ALWAYS inspires me to THINK IN GOD AND WORSHIP HIM."</i><br /><br />Friend, God is not about what music you like. Further, He doesn't care what music we likes. He desires for us to seek what <b>HE</b> likes. If you came to God only because of a certain music or is you can only worship God with certain types of music, then music <b>is</b> your god.<br /><br />I pray that you continue to seek the truth and reality of who God is, and not just who we want Him to be in order to please our fleshly desires. Until you can come to Him for who He is in spite of how it makes you feel, then you will miss the essence of being in a true relationship of salvation with Him.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-42403303609701582912010-09-28T05:55:38.216-04:002010-09-28T05:55:38.216-04:00I'm waiting for a response.....of my comments....I'm waiting for a response.....of my comments... : )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-58258861052241741852010-08-05T13:15:07.182-04:002010-08-05T13:15:07.182-04:00I noticed a pattern in a lot of the pop music that...I noticed a pattern in a lot of the pop music that you hear on the radio these days. At around the same time, I learned that many music artists are involved in sorcery...audio sorcery perhaps. I then became aware of a 3-1-2-1 beat that I believed is derived from sorcery. Such artists as Timberlake, Madonna, and Prince may practice such things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-67774071364472928022010-07-15T07:59:38.390-04:002010-07-15T07:59:38.390-04:00Hi Anonymous,
It is not about which music being &...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />It is not about which music being "perfect" but which music is Godly.<br /><br />"it's here, and that means God has a use for it"?? That is truly a very unScriptural basis upon which to support anything. Porn is here too; does that mean God has a use for that?<br /><br />I have no knowledge that this music is drawing people into true faith in God. In fact, by your description of how much people <b>"need"</b> this music, I would say such is likely not so. Sounds like an idol. A true Christian doesn't need anything to come to or stay in Christ beyond Christ Himself.<br /><br />The purpose of this is not to tell you which music is Godly, but to remind us that if we seek God first and foremost, He will guide us in all things, including our choice of music.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.com