tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post7258140028728127643..comments2024-01-17T10:24:25.719-05:00Comments on The Latter Days: Perfect in OneLatter Days Ministryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-90806824258835905152012-03-04T07:26:27.104-05:002012-03-04T07:26:27.104-05:00Hi NealReal,
I have found very similar things. M...Hi NealReal,<br /><br />I have found very similar things. <b>Many</b> (not all) on social networking environments want to be Christians on <i>their own</i> terms. It was initially shocking to realize just how prevalent rejection of God's word is on such sites. And when you bring up what the word says, you get a whole lot of, "Oh, that is a mistranslation....that no longer applies...we don't need the word if we are led by the Spirit, etc."<br /><br />There are even a number of Christians who spend most of their time on these sites trying to <i>debunk</i> the Scriptures. I suppose though, that such is only a microcosm of the churchworld at large.<br /><br />I will keep you in prayer in this regard Neal. I <b>do</b> believe that as we start pouring out more to those around us God will build His Body.<br /><br />God bless and strengthen you brother!Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-34509325556227180352012-03-03T21:58:02.537-05:002012-03-03T21:58:02.537-05:00This has really blessed me. I've been wanting ...This has really blessed me. I've been wanting real fellowship like this since the beginning. I knew it was like this but I've been going through thinking, "Well, God will find me a church when I'm mature enough to hang." In other words, "God needs to separate me off to himself, grow me, and then bring me into fellowship with the other grown sisters and brothers of God. In my current state, I could make the fellowship the idol and forget about God." <br /><br />I got this view from a pastor who mentioned why some Christians were alone and not in church. But I've been telling God, how this doesn't work for me. "I'm not growing or becoming stronger by myself. I need the Body. How am I going to grow if I'm not around the saints of God?" <br /><br />This encourages me to pursue fellowship again, instead of waiting on something to happen. Or, cease from what I've been doing: seeking fellowship on social networks (a lot of these folks just don't agree with the Bible).<br /><br />This also confirms what I believe God has been saying over the past months about starting a fellowship because there's simply no God-respecting-we-wanna-deny-ourselves-and-live-kingdom-lives ministries here in Michigan. I'm hearing: "There's simply no real churches here because you (Neal) haven't started one." <br /><br />God has been dealing with me on leadership lately as well, I gotta be the change I want to see. Therefore I ask for prayer as I pursue what God has called me to do.Nealrealhttp://letspleasegod.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-74592345567881443212012-02-27T14:07:09.639-05:002012-02-27T14:07:09.639-05:00Thank you Anonymous! I have updated the link and ...Thank you Anonymous! I have updated the link and will be listening to the complete message myself.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-46711945645266214712012-02-27T14:05:17.726-05:002012-02-27T14:05:17.726-05:00i think the linked Art Katz message was cut short ...i think the linked Art Katz message was cut short by maybe 1/2<br /><br />Here's the whole message:<br />http://artkatzministries.org/audio-messages/true-fellowship/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-62081107870619216342012-02-26T21:18:11.808-05:002012-02-26T21:18:11.808-05:00Hello fellow saints, one thing is for sure when th...Hello fellow saints, one thing is for sure when the world begins its final persecution of the saints and we are hated by everyone, I assure you we will have fellowship with each other. God will bring us together when we realize the hatred Satan has for all of us and we recognize the need for a friend to help encourage us to stand in austere times. It's coming so get ready.Pastor Pricehttp://www.omegaministries.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-62395145147129075002012-02-26T21:08:13.170-05:002012-02-26T21:08:13.170-05:00Hi V.D. Coleman! :-)Hi V.D. Coleman! :-)Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-83442126399651884482012-02-26T21:01:37.165-05:002012-02-26T21:01:37.165-05:00Hi Tina,
When I reached a time in my life where I...Hi Tina,<br /><br />When I reached a time in my life where I was tired of religion and really wanted to <b>know</b> God, He led me to Omega. To be honest, I literally issued God a challenge, "If you are really real, then where are your people?" It is unreal to think of, but that was about 17 years ago! While that makes me feel old as dirt LOL, I can testify first-hand about how my life has changed because of this ministry. The vessels who discipled me in the early years are simply <i>vessels</i>, but if they had not been giving their life in sacrifice to the Lord, it would not have been possible. <br /><br />AND, I found them because a sister was not ashamed to witness to people on the job and even host lunchtime bible studies. So I guess it is like we have been saying. If we can move beyond our comfort zones and our focus on self to build lives in Christ, then He will build His Body. Surely God will lead us to believers of a like, precious faith as we "trust & obey". :-)<br /><br />God Bless you Sister!Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-61827940479683391142012-02-26T19:52:00.359-05:002012-02-26T19:52:00.359-05:00Very encouraging.Very encouraging.V.D. Colemanhttp://www.vdcoleman.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-10297385196255882222012-02-26T18:55:40.287-05:002012-02-26T18:55:40.287-05:00i didnt get a chance to preview before my comment ...i didnt get a chance to preview before my comment posted. i had to leave the room to deal with 2 cousins disagreeing and by the time i returned it had posted automatically as i was at the last stage before posting. so i said that to say this lol.. i didnt discover omega ministries in 2010 but around the middle of 2011 i had to correct myself. how i wish i had found this ministry in 2010 i think i would have avoided a lot of hurt i endured but i believe that was GOD'S point in not introducing omega to me sooner. i hope you all know how you are being used to minister to CHRIST'S bride no matter how it feels or what it looks like at times. fellow believers are so much better off because of omega and latter days.GOD by CHRIST in you all has literally changed my life in ways no words could ever communicate. be ever blessed in our Saviour!tinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-33326328846598627722012-02-26T18:08:07.868-05:002012-02-26T18:08:07.868-05:00Amen Tina! I agree that the "me time" a...Amen Tina! I agree that the "me time" attitude is selfishness. It would be wonderful for me to say that I am completely delivered in this area, but such would not be true. The more self dies in me, the more "self" God reveals to be crucified. I suppose this is the walk we are on, one of dieing <i>daily</i>. Thank you for the wisdom and encouragement shared!Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-72518503609023840162012-02-26T17:51:16.633-05:002012-02-26T17:51:16.633-05:00first i want to thank you for the post.you are alw...first i want to thank you for the post.you are always a blessing and i truly thank God for you. i dont know if its a me thing or not but this is not complicated or hard to be understood at all. we all know what fellowship is and what it really requires... we all know. i am so tired of all this wrangling and jangling i wish we would all just get real with God so He can show us ourselves and teach us how to get real with ourselves. when scripture teaches us to love the brethren and fervently at that and tells us we have no need that any one teach us about love because we are personally taught by God how to love so just from those to teachings alone we are taught to and equipped for fellowship. the Holy Spirit prompts and leads us into it as we progress in the life of the LORD. we have to put off and fosake pride and rebellion so we can obey the Lord and become family. if our desire is for our true family then we will be the family ourselves even without having physical fellowship and God Himself will provide others of like precious faith. this is all so very simple. lets just be who we are supposed to be in Christ and all the rest will follow. this is a matter of faith and trust in God that if we seek first the Kingdom all will be added. lets all just bring it back down to the simplicity of the Gospel which is just to trust and obey. i have been without fellowship for years and have earnestly desired and prayed fervently with fastings for God to give us pastors after His own heart and to lead me into the fellowship of the saints. i searched the web tirelessly looking only to leave disappointed but in 2010 through a series of events i stumbled upon omega ministries then this blog and through this blog bro. pooonen and bro. pawson and the brother who posts the words he recieves from the LORD, sorry i cant recall his name right now, my point is God has answered my prayer and will bring me into physical fellowship in His own timing. we need to trust and obey the word of GOD and become what the word says and as we are busy doing that all things will be added.i am one with omega, mia,bro. zac,bro pawson, and every one of my Heavenly Father's children even having never met them and because my love is being perfected in Christ i have fervent love for my brothers and sisters counting you all dear and precious and my own true family.lets just trust and obey, lets just walk in the Spirit at all times this will cause us to reject selfishness(self) which requires alone time or me time for self seving purposes because thats not the Spirit of Christ i know because i was possibly the most me time needing person you'd ever meet(truly).john was on the isle of patmos but i can garauntee you he was one with the body of Christ and loved every member fervently even after never seeing them or never having met them face to face before.we need to not expect light to be able to fellowship with darkness and come out from among them and wait on God for HE will provide. i will not be apart of that which God has condemned and if what you are attending and expecting fellowship from is babylon then not only will your expectations fail but if you stay you will share in babylon's judgement so as the LORD has warned... come out of her my people.. i warn also. precious family we can only work while it is day and the night is already upon us lets us all redeem the time by trusting, obeying and becoming what the Father requires and this will solve any fellowship issues or questions. all my love and be blessed and highly favored in CHRIST.tinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-3169758636163891962012-02-26T11:05:01.557-05:002012-02-26T11:05:01.557-05:00Okay Stephanie, so now you are stepping on my toes...Okay Stephanie, so now you are stepping on my toes. OUCH!!!<br /><br />My husband and I were just discussing this morning how God led us a couple of years ago to start opening our home to others as a means of ministering and witnessing about the Lord. And we have done so and are very thankful for the relationships He is building through those interactions, but it hasn't been easy. <br /><br />I tend to be a very private person, maybe it is partially because I was an only child. But I have become quite adept at being <i>by</i> myself and having <i>my</i> space. Even last night we had out of town visitors who knew me from childhood and they discussed how much of an introvert I used to be because I did not know how to socialize with others. <br /><br />Yet, over the past two years, those old ways have really been challenged. Like you (although maybe for different reasons), I wanted to fellowship "out there" somewhere, so I could still come back to "my" home and just relax; have my <i>private</i> space. But God has put us in repeated positions of getting us out of that mindset. Instead of going to fellowship "out there" He has made our home a place of fellowship. Can someone say, "Bye, bye, private place?" LOL<br /><br />And let me tell you that I struggled with that (and still do to some extent). It is a level of giving of myself that I still have to wrestle with. I guess it boils down to what the Jesus Life Together site said:<br /><br /><i>"As YOU sacrifice comfort, time, and reputation to build lives, rather than to "find something"—you can then watch "the Lord build the House" in His own way and time"</i><br /><br />Yes, I have surely seen the truth of this statement in my own life. Not that God is establishing a "church" at our home, but that He is teaching us that this whole thing of fellowship is going to cost us much more of ourselves than we envisioned having to give (or at least I envisioned). :-)<br /><br />So yes, I think God is taking us on the same road. To have us stop "looking" for something and just start being what God has designed us to be, witnesses for Him.<br /><br />Much love to you Sister & thanks for sharing your thoughts here!Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-75329712268856639342012-02-26T10:37:18.100-05:002012-02-26T10:37:18.100-05:00Hello Anonymous,
I understand and agree with much...Hello Anonymous,<br /><br />I understand and agree with much of what you are saying. I will say though that I <b>do</b> believe there is a lack of knowledge about true fellowship. <br /><br />From experiences on social networking sites to 1-2 local meetings a week, <i>none of that</i> reflects the image of community seen in the New Testament. Yet, many people will argue you to the ground about how that is <i>just as much</i> fellowship as what the early church had. It isn't.<br /><br />I don't know that the fellowship of saints has to look as Min. Katz describes, but I know that what many people claim to have as "fellowship" falls far from it. Yet and still, this is something which God indicates is a vital part to not only our growth, but for His glory being seen. <br /><br />Lastly, if I can just bring one small point up for consideration. You state in your last paragraph that we must each attend to our own walk with God and <i>"then"</i> a commitment to others. Yet look at part of the text reviewed by Min. Katz:<br /><br /><i>"That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, <b>that ye also may have fellowship with US</b>: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ...But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, <b>we have fellowship ONE WITH ANOTHER</b>, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. " I John 1:3, 7</i><br /><br />Fellowship with others does not seem to be a "then" statement. It does not seem to be secondary to our fellowship with God. <br /><br />John seems to indicate in verse 3 that being brought into fellowship with the brethren was <i>the same</i> as being brought into fellowship with God. Further in verse 7, the evidence that they had fellowship with God was the fact that they had fellowship with <i>one another</i>.<br /><br />This seems to me to reinforce Min. Katz's comment: <b>"Fellowship is not a "nice to have" after we have obtained the life and truth of God. Fellowship is the <i>expression</i> of that life and truth."</b><br /><br />Not being argumentative here. Simply challenging whether fellowship with others is something which occurs "after" ensuring our own walk or whether it is part of the way we ensure our own walk. <br /><br />I don't think the Scriptures support that I have true fellowship as long as I am personally rooted in God. Rather, it seems to indicate that the evidence that I am personally rooted in God is that I have true fellowship with the brethren.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-46490886175403664582012-02-26T10:27:20.576-05:002012-02-26T10:27:20.576-05:00Thanks so much for this!! I was discussing this wi...Thanks so much for this!! I was discussing this with my mother last night and that is the advice she gave. She told me to just be the change I want to see and as I thought about it I realized that I had been doing that all along. I am being a witness in my own home and to those in my sphere of existence. I guess sometimes we want a whole bunch of people to be surrounding us so that we can feel secure. I guess we sometimes want a pat on the back and someone saying, "Hey sis you are doing a good job and you are surely helping build the church" LOL!! How<br />sad!! <br /><br />I agree with the response that you posted Mia and God had placed on my heart to open my home up more and cook for people. At first I was like, "uh God don't you know that I am not a good cook and I surely wouldn't want to make anyone sick or kill them with my food!!" LOL!! The Holy Spirit spoke back to me directly and said this is not about YOU, but about others. You are still thinking of yourself and how you will appear to others. Just do as I say and I will be all that you need, the cook included!! LOL!! I must say that He was right and I opened up my home and I invited people over and the food was DELICIOUS!! LOL!! I prayed before I cooked that meal and I tell you God is AWESOME and He surely does what He says!! Anyway I could go on, but I won't!! From now on I will be the change that I want to see! I will keep on being obedient to my Father and allow Him to work in my life as He sees fit, including building a True fellowship with whom He says! <br /><br />Thanks for the encouraging posts!! Much Love to you and yours!!Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02262940185840758258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-30078498723331341462012-02-26T09:44:24.169-05:002012-02-26T09:44:24.169-05:00On the site where I found Min. Katz's message,...On the site where I found Min. Katz's message, they answered the question of where others could find similar fellowships. This is what they said.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.jesuslifetogether.com/" rel="nofollow">Jesus Life Together Answer</a><br /><br />Understandable question of course, and we get that question thousands of times every year, year after year. Obviously, there are many of every religious background, color, and nationality who sense the difference between "attending religions about Jesus on Sunday"—versus Living Jesus' Life as HE did and does, without religion, ritual, or a ruling class. That said, we don't ever actually pass on information about people in an area, or even keep records of it, intentionally, even if they live a block away from each other. :) There are men with websites we know in this country and other countries who do have "registries" and "lists" and help to group folks together, to some extent. You'll be able to locate them and ask that if you'd like, I'm sure. However, our encouragement to those who ask is always to lay down your life and risk bringing Truth to your family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, and all you know. Most have never really done this obvious Christian thing courageously and lovingly and persistently. As YOU sacrifice comfort, time, and reputation to build lives, rather than to "find something"—you can then watch "the Lord build the House" in His own way and time, as is HIS deepest desire to do. :) It will cost you the price of "taking up your cross" for others—pain, rejection, humiliation, sometimes lost relationships—to present and live for and die for Truth to others. But the "Pearl of Great Price" is WORTH it. :) SHOW the way and BUILD Life, rather than looking for it—that would be our encouragement. :)<br /><br />We'd have to imagine you were wanting something "more practical" but after all of these years, we're pretty sure this is the Right answer to bring Jesus honor, and that He might "increase" and mere humans as some sort of cheap answer might rightfully "decrease." We hope that perspective, at least, is helpful...Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-84296171851092882492012-02-26T09:43:04.319-05:002012-02-26T09:43:04.319-05:00Hi Stephanie,
I hear you! I know that many churc...Hi Stephanie,<br /><br />I hear you! I know that many church communities either do not facilitate real fellowship or do not do not stand on the truth, thereby compromising the health of the fellowship. Now, I don't have any answers for that. <br /><br />However at the same time, if God has determined that it is by <b>bringing us together in fellowship</b> that He will grow us, then what I am supposed to say to Him? <i>"Well God, you just never established a Godly fellowship that I could be a part of.</i> That sounds to me a bit like Adam & Eve blaming someone else in the Garden of Eden. <br /><br />I believe that if this is the way God decrees, then <b>He will</b> make provision for it in our lives. But we have to seek Him for it. We have to ask for spiritual eyes to see as He does.<br /><br />I believe that <b>many</b> people believe as Min. Katz did initially; that fellowship is just a "nice to have" but not a necessary component of our walk with God. With such an understanding, how will we ever be able to see Godly fellowship because we don't esteem it as important? So that is why I posted this message. It is to challenge our understanding and cause us to seek God for His will in this area.<br /><br />I am so glad you touched on the whole "expecting a fellowship to be perfect" issue. I think many do. And often, our definition of "perfect" is a people who <i>agree with</i> and <i>validate</i> us. <br /><br />Are people <b>truly willing</b> to come together with other imperfect people, denying themselves when those others rub us the wrong way? Only if we truly desire to see the glory of the Lord. Only if we esteem His presence more than we prioritize our own discomfort and frustration.<br /><br />And while I am sure you know this, I am not speaking to you specifically Stephanie; I am just sharing my thoughts in general.<br /><br />I actually found the Min. Katz sermon on a website I have been perusing for the past 2 weeks: <a href="http://www.jesuslifetogether.com/" rel="nofollow">Jesus Life Together</a><br /><br />I will post their answer to that question below.Latter Days Ministryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405696673350225699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-18565950665318259692012-02-26T09:35:44.100-05:002012-02-26T09:35:44.100-05:00Good comments Stephanie! You know what else I have...Good comments Stephanie! You know what else I have noticed? It's not even about a lack of knowledge about what true, New Testament community is. Never before have I heard sooooo many biblical teachings/tapes/sermons on organic community, unity, and living "life on life" with one another. We say all the right words. We nod our heads and agree-yet most of the relationships still remain shallow and superficial. <br /><br />Even when we create certain ministries/programs to encourage community (such as small groups,) you know what I'm noticing? The common bond in those groups is not really based on passion for God, His Word,deeper prayer, and a zealous desire to proclaim the Gospel to the ends of the earth. Instead, the Bible is handled casually, and trivial topics such as food, sports, fashion, who sang what at Whitney Houston's funeral, relationships, etc-overrides the conversation. It all kind of bores me and I walk away still not knowing more about Jesus. (Disclaimer: not saying fellowships have to be "perfect," but they should be healthy and spur me on in the faith).<br /><br />The crux of what I am saying: true fellowship is rooted in God (each personally and diligently attending to their own walk with the Lord), then commitment to one another, and a commitment to the gospel. Seems like when one of these components is missing, friendship can still be there to a certain degree, but there will be a lack of deeper intimacy and communion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-793573695603056525.post-1352561966687859562012-02-25T16:25:38.543-05:002012-02-25T16:25:38.543-05:00Thanks sis!! This is indeed what has been on my he...Thanks sis!! This is indeed what has been on my heart the last year or so. What do we do in terms of fellowship? I have yet to find an assembly where the pastors don't want to be exalted. I am a member of an assembly now and I have went there all my life. There is no real fellowship among the members. All we do is see each other on Sunday and say "Hey how are you?" and we then go on out the door to our own little lives. I am sick of it honestly!! I desire soooo much to be closer to my brothers and sisters but what does one do in a situation like this? Most of the members of the assembly are older and I have to be honest I don't even know if half of them have a real relationship with Christ. I do believe many are religious but have no relationship. I am not trying to be critical but from many of their comments and concerns it seems as if noone is seeking Christ and unity among the Saints. I don't want to be jumping around from place to place but I do desire true fellowship, I am not looking for perfect people, because I am not perfect but I do desire to be around people with a DESIRE for TRUTH and the expression of it!! <br /><br />Much Love Sis!!Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02262940185840758258noreply@blogger.com